S2 E25 - Prison Pocket

April 09, 2026

This one goes everywhere. In the best way.

Some episodes have a theme.

This one has… moments.

You know the kind—where you start talking about one thing and suddenly you’re ten topics deep, laughing, oversharing, and wondering how you got there. That’s this episode.

Gretchen and Missy cover everything from unexpected jealousy (yes, over Pokémon cards), to navigating kids, boundaries, and the weird reality of explaining life to tiny humans who are asking very big questions.

It’s chaotic. It’s honest. It’s the kind of conversation that feels exactly like real life—because it is.

In this episode:

  • The very real struggle of being jealous of your own child

  • Why some conversations with kids feel way bigger than you expect

  • Friendship, honesty, and saying things you probably shouldn’t

  • Random tangents that somehow still make sense

  • The kind of humor that makes uncomfortable things easier to talk about

“Get a hold of yourself… you are a 41-year-old woman. What is wrong with you?

This episode isn’t about having answers.

It’s about what happens in the middle of real life—when things are messy, funny, a little uncomfortable, and completely relatable.

If you’ve ever caught yourself reacting in a way that surprised you, questioning your parenting, or laughing at something you probably shouldn’t… you’ll feel right at home here.

Transcript

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I can't do this. Yes, you can. It was so good.

This is it. Final episode of season two. Welcome.

I couldn't get these to curl today, so I had to wear a hat. Okay. I think it's 'cause I didn't put my straightener on hotty though. Did you not do your routine, your curly girl routine? I did, but sometimes these. I, full, full honesty, they were perfect. And I tried to do a little more zing and then I fucked it up.

Mm. You know what you could do? You could sleep with like one little curler. Did you ever do sponge curlers? Look? Yeah. Look like an Amish person. Yeah. Like you're a Hasidic Jew and you like want the, the curl right there. So you just put it in a little. A little curler overnight and then bought a boom in the morning.

That would be intense in the morning. Yeah, it did need some taming something. It was real. I just shouldn't e jack with it. And so, um, outside our door right now, Jen Reno is planting plants for us because I have killed all of our outdoor plants. That said, I was, I was told that the plants that we planted outside were un killable and guess what killed them.

Don't, don't face this girl with a challenge. Don't tell me I can't do something. She will prove you wrong. I mean, my shirt says it. I guess maybe it's a different topic, but don't tell me what to do. You know I have a a shirt like that style Allah. The old dare shirts. Yeah. And it says cra leave her alone.

Aw. She doesn't wanna talk to you. I like that one. You know that old meme of that? That one meme? Yes. Yeah, that I love that one. You know what other shirt I love of yours is The Fueled by Tender Rage. Oh, I haven't worn that in a while. I love when you wear that shirt because it's so true that it is that a tease.

And we're about to, um, feast on our last few. These are the last few. Amber Edition Strawberry Apricot, um, endo, Panera. You could say that I might try and find more. I have to imagine their prices are gonna skyrocket. These weren't cheap. I'm see. I'm very in touch with the supply and demand skyrocket price thing right now.

Not just because like that's how everything is, but because of our Pokemon interest, it's working. It won't be lighting up. No, it's good. Okay. So I'm, I'm hyper aware mm-hmm. Of when things. Demand. You wanna tell the people about your Jackpot score? Oh my gosh. Which one did I tell you about? The one yesterday?

No, you told me about the random, you were looking at Safeways and then you saw a random comic. Oh yeah. We came across a random comic bookstore pulled in, and normally when you try and buy Pokemon packs, cards, anything, nowadays, they're like, it's limit of two per customer. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. Oh, they limit everything quite a bit.

And so Eli and I, after his state testing was over, decided to go on a hunt for Pokemon, uh, vending machines that they have in various Safeways and fries throughout the valley. Those, of course, we went, we were three for three all sold out. Mm-hmm. So when we were like, you know, just driving around, kind of dejected and sad, I saw this little strip mall.

Did they have a neon sign? Yeah, but they weren't open yet. Oh. Comics Pokemon. I was like, Hmm, let's just dip on in here. Yeah. So they, it was right before they opened, walked in, come into the counter. He has just like box after box after box, just casually sitting there of Japanese cards that you like, I, you can't get, I've never seen them.

Mm-hmm. For purchase. Yeah. And I was like. Um, like looking around like still, I was like, you this cool shit, Eli. Be cool, be cool, be cool. Like, oh, you gotta limit on these packs. He's like, no, buy what and buy as many as you want. We were like, well, how dumb. Why did, why would they limit you? Like if they're, I just would figure if you're a paying customer, because people will walk in.

And clean the shelves. Oh. And then they will resell them. Oh, okay. Okay. So they try and pace you? Mm-hmm. To where you can only, I guess. That's nice. That's fair. Yeah. So we went ham and I think we bought a total of 17 packs. And then how many were left over? Well, we cleaned out one whole box, one just pieces of lint.

Were left over. We cleaned out all the team rocket ones and then there, we didn't take 'em all. There were some left. There's like a one of those. What are those? Um, oh man, I was gonna make the best joke and I can't remember what the tumbleweed, there's a tumbleweed, like a little miniature tumbleweed. Yes.

Yeah, we, we left, we left. We didn't clean 'em out entirely, but I really wish I would've out of this, this one pack because it. Is incredible. And it was the most expensive pack, and it's most expensive because you can get a ton of poles out of it. They're great cards. Really expensive. I'm, I'm really trying to not lead on with how jealous I am of what Peyton got.

Oh, pay got one. A good one. Finally, she was due, right? She, she casually pulls my dream. Meow that I have been on the hunt for. Oh, the kitty. The cat one. The cat one. The full, the full arc cat one, like it's the third most valuable one in the entire set. Is that the one that you shared in the text thread?

There's a cat card in the text thread between you and Lauren. No, this is a different one and it's magnificent. And she's like, oh, I got it. And then I, I was like rewinding back to the last time Eli got a good card and she didn't get one and she was crying. Mm-hmm. Because I wanted to cry. I wanted to cry.

Oh. Because I wanted it so bad and I am like, get a hold of yourself. You are a 41-year-old woman. What the fuck is wrong with you? Be happy that she got the good card. Oh my. And I was like, you should have seen my face, Gretchen. Lemme do a reenactment. She, she's like going through and she goes, I got it and flips it around.

And I was like, oh my God. And then I was like, legitimately, like trying to put a smile on, you know, like the, the meme that I posted the other day of when at the birthday party and you don't like the flavor. That's like how I was trying to hold it together. And then I would snap out of it every couple seconds and then I'd be like, oh, that's awesome.

Good job. That's great. Let's get that thing in a top loader. And then I'd like stare off and just be like, but don't you feel, kind of feel like if you're listening and not watching, please go watch. Just so you can see Missy's face on that one. I just couldn't, I couldn't hide my pure jealousy. Well, isn't it yours anyways?

I mean, ultimately at any point in time you can. Now, I almost went there. This is how wicked I could be. I was almost like, Hmm. Who paid for it? Ooh. But I didn't because I need to like wake up. Yeah. She's a child. She got it. It was in her pack. Cut and dry. Yeah. Fair and square. I didn't get it. Not my day. Like get over it. But I, last night, laying in bed, I was like, God damnit, oh, I wish I would've got that back. Right? Because you could have, like, you guys divvied 'em up, right? Mm-hmm. So that could have been yours. We got three of each. Mm-hmm. So we would each have, you know, oh man, but I'm okay. At the end of the day, it is in my home.

Right. You know? So we, we possess it. Absolutely. I can look at it whenever I want. Mm-hmm. You can hold it. I can covet it. You can show pickle it. I can steal it. You can. I can stroke it in my bed at night. Do you think that she'd even know if it was gone? A hundred percent. She would. She, last thing she looked at before she went to bed, first thing she looked at it is her prize possession.

Oh my gosh. And she, I bet it's her prize possession. 'Cause you wanted it so bad. A hundred percent. And to add insult to injury, Eli pulls the second. Most valuable meal in that set. And I got left with some BSEX cards. So you got no pickles? No. You didn't get one meal? Meal? No. I kind of got, I got hosed on that opening.

They both scored pretty big. I mean, that, that card Peyton pulled, uh, raw is like, it's like a 75 dollar card. Oh my gosh. You get it rated. It's 350. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Holy guac. Yeah. And then I just came from, uh, after Eli's testing, Adam's mom sent me a picture. She's like, I think I might have some of Daniel's Pokemon card, whatever, Uhhuh.

She sends me a picture of the cards and I look 'em up and they're like, from 1999 and all super valuable. So I had to, I had to jet over there and see what was up, and then she's like, oh. And we have these figurines. I was like, fucking pull 'em out. Like, oh my gosh. So I'm looking up the figurines. Those are all between 10 and 50 dollars a piece.

And then she's like, oh, the only other thing is this little, 'cause we kept going like, what else do you have? She's like, nothing. And then she'd come out with something, right? Eli's like, I need to go in the garage. She's like, I'm going in the garage. I'm going with you this time. And so she's like, oh, there's this little, this little book thing for cards, but it's empty.

I look up the little book thing for cards. It's 125 dollar binder from 1999. Oh man. Gold mine. Well, so do you get that? Does she give Well, I don't if now I to be like, Dan, come on. I'll, I'll give you something. You let me have all the Pokemon Right. Hustle him. Yeah. Or he might just be like, I don't care. Have fun.

Right, right. So I have to talk to Uncle Dan and make sure that I'm not, you know, come on Uncle Dan, come on, uncle Dan. Give the kids, you throw them, pass them down to me. Yes. That I'm older than you. Pass them up to the chariot. So, yeah, this is my, well, that was kind of a life now, a hard night, but a good night nonetheless.

It, for me personally, I, I'd say it was bittersweet. Man, I couldn't even imagine if like I was in the same place, but we were trading basketball cards and Sawyer was like gifted a Jordan. Like you're, they would not, I haven't shut up about this stupid card. I've wanted it for like a month now. Right. Ever since I feasted my eyes upon it.

Yeah. I wanted that one. And she's just like. Oh. And I was like, oh my gosh, let me, let me, I'm gonna, um, this isn't a full call out, but kind of, it's a cute one. I don't, I know that you won't be upset. So when we, when we went over to Lauren's house and the Pokemon regrade started, Missy said, I will not start this because I will not be able to stop it.

And so I go over to her house the other day and she's sitting on the floor in her stack of Pokemons and just looking at me like. Or maybe even text me about it. I sent you a video. Oh, that's coming clean. That's what you said. It was too shameful to do in person, so I had to send you a video letting you know that's right where I was at.

You're like, I actually did do this. Yeah. She's like, are these all from today? And I'm like, no. I've been moving in silence for weeks. Just gathering, you know, you just know yourself so well. Yep. Do you know, I, back in the day, the first time I ever tried cocaine, I was like, wow, I like this a lot. Sure. And I, I stopped because I'm like, that's a, that's not gonna be good for me.

Mm-hmm. And then later on I stopped caring and I just kept doing it. But, um, I bet, I bet your Pokemon is to my Yep. Yeah. But here's the, here's the difference. There's only one difference. The main difference is that one's legal one goes up your nose and you never see the money again. The other one. Get some good cards.

Building value. Absolutely. Yeah. There's a lot of differences between two, but there's a lot of similarities. Like the mental capacity, the rush. Mm-hmm. Oh yeah, the rush. The rush of opening a card and you kind of glance to the back. 'Cause the good ones are always in the back and you see that little shimmer, a golden ticket where you see some text.

Yes. It's so much like Willy Wonka and you open and you see that little glimmer. Mm-hmm. You see gold? Mm-hmm. That rush in that hit is just like better than any drug in the world. I used to open, except for the casino, I used to open up my candy bars like Lily Wonka, just hoping that there would be a ticket in there hoping, even though it's not something people did.

No, and they weren't even Wonka bars. They were, remember that little sound effect when he, when you see the go goes like, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I just remembered the one that actually had, it looked so good. I wanted to eat it. Mm-hmm. All the candy and Wonka looked amazing. So good. Remember when they go in the room and they just eat everything.

I used to have dreams about that when I was a kid all the time. Just like going like this holds the little teacup off and drinks the the nectar and then eats the teacup. Oh, I wanted the gummy bears. How he like would Yes. Hit the gummy bears. Yes. And the cream. And he is just like, oh. And out of the mushroom.

Oh my totally. Sweetheart. Save some room for later. And then it was all ruined by that boat ride that they take with the chickens. Yeah. Like the chicken's getting their head cut. Like, what, uh, what is that Wonka? I know. And I watched it as a kid and I was just like, and now rewatching it with my kids, and they're like, um, what's happening?

And I'm like, I, I don't know upon what is the purpose of this boat ride? Like the, the dec cap, the chicken dcap? I don't right. I don't know. I think he was a tinker best quote ever. Um, okay. Well I'm happy for pay, pay. I'm happy for your family that you called that card. Thank you. You're welcome. Um, I was watching something.

About horses having babies. Mm-hmm. And turns out that horses are pregnant for just shy of a year. And I was like, God damn, that's long time. And then I keyed into where elephants, no, Cubans are pregnant for almost a year. Yeah. And horses get their period every month. Oh, they do? Yes. We were talking about that this weekend at my sister's ranch.... Oh, interesting. About the horses. Interesting. And I said that Gretchen loves horses, and they said you should bring her up here to be around, what do you call it? The equine. Equine equine therapy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh man. Equine therapy was huge for me. Yeah. You could go up there and you could pet 'em. Do you know how much you learn for about yourself in the face of those horses?

Yes, I learned that I'm a terrible coward. Um, you know, I hate them. Yes, I know that you hate horses, but you can like learn so much from them. But my sister Emily has a, a baby horse named Lexi and she was up there. They have like five baby horses up there, and Greg was like, here, come in, come in the stall.

Mm-hmm. No. He's like, no way. He's like, I'll scooter to the side. You come in and I go, no, no thank you. He's like, seriously, you won't come in here. I go. Not coming in there. Oh, I would kiss 'em. I would kiss 'em so much. They're cute. They're very cute. Are they're territorial though, right? Like if you're The mama gets upset if you're around the baby.

Yes. That's how only got kicked. Oh yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes. So I got to see some horses. How was your Easter? Um, Easter was great. Simple. Mm-hmm. Um, we, so I ordered these needle sets. Two weeks ago, I was like, man, I'm on top of things. I'm gonna have this Easter things licked, I don't even have, and it kept saying It's coming.

It kept saying it'll be on Saturday, Saturday. Saturday. It's late. It's Saturday. Saturday at 9 45. I look at Steven, I'm like, you have to go to Walgreens. You have to go to Walgreens because I, I got stuff from Walgreens, but turns out I ordered, I thought I ordered two bunnies and only one came on it. So I only ordered one bunny and then I thought I ordered four large cane chocolate bunnies and they came and they were tiny bite size.

So I had one rabbit and four pieces of candy, and I'm like, this is probably not gonna do it. So I'm like, go to the store, get, get him some scratchers.

Scratches. They love scratchers. I just got my check for 500 bucks. Do they have to mail you a check? Well, I couldn't get freaking down to the. The office building, you have to take it to an office building if it's over. Well, quite honestly, they say that the gas stations should reimburse you up to 500 dollars.

Yeah. But none of 'em have that kind of cash. And they all look at you like, no, we're not giving you that much money, so you have to go down to the office. Mm-hmm. And then I read something that said you could just mail it in. And I'm like, well, this is probably better for me. And I just got the check yesterday.

Wow. That was a quick turnaround. I, I was actually pleasantly surprised by it as well. Yeah. Um, so then we got 'em, scratchers and some candy and it was fine. Everything was great. Yeah. Guess you could get, you could guess what my kids got for Easter Seas, candy. Well, some of that, but, oh, Pokemons. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh my goodness. Pretty much, pretty much, pretty much. Yeah. Easter is always, um, mellow. I feel like very, very mellow. I did get, um, some text messages on Easter though. Yeah. And since then, lots of, lots of, um, political text messages are coming through and I just continue to ignore them. I suppose it's the craziest thing to see this phenomena.

It is. It's a crazy phenomenon. It's like, it's like, you know when, when somebody dies and then like the person can't like get over it and they're texting the old phone number. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's like, what are you doing? What are you, what are you doing? No one's answering or engaging this. No. Why are you doing this?

It's only hurting more. It's crazy. It. Perplexing for sure. And especially like I, I tried to even soften, like there's no blocking happening right now. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, oh wow. You're not, you don't care if this is hurting the situation at all. You just care if, get your point across. Yeah. For all of those people that are, this is your first episode.

Go back and re-listen to the episodes and you'll know what we're talking about. There's some boundary issues in my family that I struggle with. Mm-hmm. Don't struggle with because I don't really, it seem like a struggle. I think you're actually in a pretty good place about it. Yeah, I do too. I'm kind of proud of myself.

The only thing that I dislike is that it, they always come through in the first, um. At like 6:30 AM So it's the first thing that I see on my phone. And that part kind of irks me, but I just, I've just taken the stand of like, I'm going to, um, have apathy about it. I'm just going to not react. Mm-hmm. And just let it be a moot point.

Yeah. Moot point. No.

Okay, so back to the horses being pregnant. I, that's a, I just felt like it was a really long time to be pregnant, and then I was realized, oh my God. Like, we're, are we pregnant for nine months or 10? Because isn't their sink, it's 10 technically, right? Yeah. But why is, why did they say nine and then 10 and then 10 and then nine?

I don't know. Hmm. Not sure. Interesting sound off farmers. Why is it? I think it depends on if they're counting from like the beginning of the cycle versus the beginning of the, oh, brutal is implantation. I'm getting in some real muddy territory. Oh my god. Sawyer was telling Willa all about like, what happens when you have a baby?

What? And it was the cutest thing ever. He's like, you know when you get a chicken and they're just a yolk? And so, and he just like rattled off this whole thing and I was like, that is barely accurate. That's so funny. That's so different. I, the other day I asked Eli, he said like, we stumbled upon this conversation somehow.

Mm-hmm. He's like, do you know how baby's coming out? He is like, no, I don't know. I don't know any of that. I was just like, do you wanna know? He's not ready. He's not? No. Oh my God. We've had the talk. We've, like Willa knows at like the whole, the whole shebang and um, they know mechanics. Oh yeah. They know all.

They know everything. My gosh. Yeah. Sawyer was asking a lot of questions, so I'm like, it's fine. I'll just tell. And then this is. I just, the incest? No, no, no, no. I didn't talk about incest today. I just said,

speaking of which, I have something about a brother and a sister having sex, but that's okay. But just, but it's not weird. It's, I mean, it's sex that weird. If it's you,

it's about, it's about something else. Okay. So, um. Sawyer was saying basically the way he was approaching it was like, every time you have sex, you have a baby. And so That's correct. That's correct. That is why you have to save yourself for marriage and if you want a baby, because they come every time a woman does not.

I That's very just kidding. Um, we, but I, I informed them that. That was not the case, that sometimes you have it and it's that you only can get pregnant one week a month. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Oh, please. Hello?

Okay, we're back. We're back. Not that on the recording you can tell that we even left, but we just, um, had two lovely ladies come into GSO and buy something. Sure did. Thank you patrons for coming in and supporting small business and, um, feeding my. Heart and my soul. Your heart. And my heart. Why did I think you were just gonna say hard on what's wrong with me?

Well, it's either, it's either like serious or extreme. So, so back to a, horses are pregnant for about a year. Is this this a new segment called Fun Animal Facts? 'Cause I could jump in. I could jump in with some. Do you think it was too much information for me to give? So the kids that, that you can only get pregnant one week a month?

Um, not May, maybe not for your kid. The thought of me having that conversation with my children makes me wanna die. God damnit. That's so funny. I never, I've always been ready and willing to do it. Stop calling me. I have not, I never was. I was never. I'm scared to have that conversation. Well, that's good. I mean, I think it's a me issue.

I mean, I think I will. I will, but they just, to me, yeah, you'll know when it's the right time. AI has like zero interest in girls or Yeah. Relationships or knowing anything about them. Do you think it's just 'cause he's scared or because he really has no interest? He really has no interest. Okay. Yeah. Fair. I just don't think he does it all, but I'm sure you know he'll, he'll bloom eventually.

I'll tell him. If he asked me, I would tell him absolutely. But I don't wanna be like, Hey, sit down. Let's talk about buckle up. Let's talk about sex. It's not like I suspect that he's sexting with his girlfriend. He's like, what? You know, it's just, it's not. I even have gotten to the point where I'm like, and you never ever send pictures.

I,

I've started having conversations with Peyton because of stuff that's happened to her at school that I find very, very upsetting. Ooh. Um, and I'm just, I want the first lesson to be, you don't have to do, put up with. Anything that you don't want. If you don't want someone to touch your body, your arm, your hand give you a kiss on the cheek, you don't have to.

Yeah. And if they do it, you say, you didn't ask me if that was okay and you can't touch me. Yeah. Good. That you are in charge of that when it comes to your body. Mm-hmm. And unless it's something that you want to do, you don't have to do anything you don't wanna do. Yeah. Good point. Like the whole hugging thing.

My kids will come up to Will and hug and I'll look at her. I'm like, if you don't want them to hug you, you don't have to let them hug you. You know? She told me there was a teacher that would kiss her frequently. Yeah, I know which one it is. That's not okay. I know. I agree. I agree. And it's the one that I've had, it's the one that I have an issue that I don't know.

Forgot your child in the bathroom. Yep. Um, so yeah, that I'm just kind of like laying the foundation. For bigger conversations later when, when I think that they're ready for them. Yeah. But I would answer anything. I'll answer. If you wanted to know the mechanics of it and like how are, how do babies, I would tell him, yeah, absolutely.

But I think about 12. Yeah. When things start to happen to his body. Mm-hmm. I got. Do it. Right. So until then it's just, Hmm. Need to know. Yeah. I think it's in Sawyer's face all the time. Like the little boys are getting so crude and everything at school. Mm-hmm. And they're making like hand gestures and all those things.

So that's why I don't want, yeah. There, um, Sawyer asked again if he could be go online with Eli again, but that's for another day. I think I'm taking note. Oh, you are? She's not gonna return to Copper Ridge. No joke. What is she gonna do online? No shit. Yeah. Oh my goodness. What in the actual fuck is going on?

Holy moly. Um, that's a nice little bomb to drop right on your bestie. Sorry, we just ended up there. Right? Just think about what happened this year. You know, all the stories you No, I know the comments. You're and all the stuff. A hundred percent. I don't, I don't knock you forward at all. I just think selfishly, I just, well, who am I gonna sit with in the car during, I guess it could still be at pickup.

Okay. Okay.

It's not a hundred percent, but she's, we've talked about it and she's kind of leaning that way. Alright, well, okay. I support you. Whatever choices. I just, I know for her, she really likes a lot of aspects of being in person. Mm-hmm. But then there's a lot of stuff that I think that she's subjected to that I think is just horrible.

Mm-hmm. And they're turning over another principle, right. Like it's all just so chaotic and I don't know, everything's chaotic right now. I just want them close. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. I really do. And I've, I've told Sawyer, I'm like, I'm not, not. Like, your thoughts are valid. Mm-hmm. Like the reasons why you wanna leave are absolutely valid.

And I hear you. And I'm like, but we're gonna get through this school year. Mm-hmm. And you're gonna look at it in a situation of like, I will overcome these douche bag little kids and you will be stronger for it. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, but then what I'm, I'm, I'm still hearing you. Like we're, if we need to do that, then that's absolutely something that we can do.

Mm-hmm. But right now we're gonna get through the school year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, do you wanna do your updates here? I'm sorry. Yes. Speaking of saying hideous things stop upon second. Listen, I caught a couple things I said, and I need to go back on them because if I was personally horrified, first of all, and I didn't even realize this in the moment, I dropped a hard r retard.

I don't remember what I was saying it about, and I'm sure it didn't have to do with somebody who, it was not derogatory. I think it was probably at myself or something like that. And I don't wanna sound like a boomer here, but that word was, I come from a different time. Oh yeah, that was a word we said all the time.

And I'm not trying to excuse it, I'm just saying it slipped and I will do better. And I don't wanna make anybody feel bad. It's just, it just happened and I kind of like, oh my God, I can't believe I said that. Mm-hmm. So that's one forgiven two. When we were answering questions that were sent in, we were talking about how, um.

You know, the person not having the baby, sometimes they feel like they're not connected. Uh, what are ways that you can get them involved in the pregnancy, da da, da. And I was like, well, sometimes the man doesn't feel like, I don't mean that. I think that it's only a man and a woman that can have a baby.

It's, come on guys, pick your fighter. Mm-hmm. It's anybody. It could be a surrogate situation. It could. Mm-hmm. I just meant the person not pregnant. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah. And the the non-birth giving partner. Yeah. Partners. I don't know. I don't care. Just the, I was trying to make a point that like sometimes when it's not physically growing in your body, you're like, me, what do I do?... That could be a man, that could be a woman, that could be whoever. Right? And so I didn't want it to seem like that's what I was thinking. I think I just said, man, because it was a man and a woman that wrote in, and my experience was a man and a woman. Exactly. Context. Yeah. But listening back, I was like. Oh no, that doesn't just apply.

It's not just a man. Mm-hmm. That does, that feels that way. Yeah. It could be, you know, a mother who has a surrogate. It could, it could be anybody. Yeah. Yeah. I totally, it could be a same sex couple. Like, I don't, I don't care. I think by now the farmers know that, that I hope you would know. We would, we would not care.

But I thought it was worth saying something about, I'm trying to hold myself accountable here. Absolutely. And clear, clear your sweet out baby conscience. So if anybody caught that and, and had a little, uh, I apologize because I, I did that when I heard it back. Yeah. So I gotta come clean here. Alright.

Forgiven said straight forgiven. My little love bug. It kind of feels refreshing. 'Cause normally I'm the one that's like, well, I gotta go back and fact check her. I gotta go back and say I'm, I feel like I have always have to be the one that says it was sorry. It was me. Hard R, hard R. And I didn't even realize, Adam's like you.

Did you talk to hard r? I was like, what? I didn't know it's either. And I listened back all like a lot. Multiple times. Excuse me. That one, that one's harder for me to, you know, sometimes that one, I get it. Wiggles its way up. Yeah. Right. And I'm like, stay down, stay down. I feel like that one sometimes is like, fuck.

Mm-hmm. But, um, the, the one jackass person I couldn't remember is Brandon Novak, and I feel like he's really turned his life around, so his name gets, should deserve to get dropped as well. Was he kinda like an ancillary character? Yes, but he was, he would do the crazy things and he would get, he was, I think he was probably worse than Steve-O really?

But Steve-O just played a more in your face role. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So good job, Brandon. Proud of you. Um, one of them died. Really? Ryan. Oh, Ryan? Yeah. Ryan Dunn. Ryan Dunn from, from substance abuse? No, I think he died in a car crash, right? Yeah. Well, I, I mean, I don't know if he was drunk or whatever or I don't know.

How did Ryan Dunn pass away? That's Ryan Dunn. Died in a car collision. Car. Car. Car crash. A car, car, car. Car. Okay. Well, um, okay, so all forgiven. Let's talk about. Oh wait, let's go back to the incest thing. So there's, I'm listening to this podcast, it's Stack Shepherd's podcast and he has another fellow on there that is, um, talks about, um, consciousness like, and so they're talking, his name is Michael Poland.

Look how on top of shit I am. And she has the name, she has her facts. They. And so they're talking about this idea of like consciousness and subconsciousness and what makes things right and what makes things wrong. And so they're saying that the things that make things wrong are, um. Struggle or consequences or pain or something along those lines.

Mm-hmm. And so they said if a brother and a sister, this brother and sister wanted to have sex and they had sex one time. Mm-hmm. And no baby was born. It was mutual. So like would it be bad air quotes with the absence of struggle, consequences, pain. Like what? What has it then well, then you have the morality factor and that's where they came in.

Mm-hmm. And they're like, but where does that, where, oh, let's see. I'm gonna societal, I'd say. Mm-hmm. Because. Take it. But even I love when it segues back to ancient Egypt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Because back in ancient Egypt, they thought that they needed to keep blood bloodlines as pure as they could for pharaohs.

So there was often brothers, sister couplings, a lot of half sibling couplings. Mm-hmm. First cousins. Um, and they didn't think they were doing anything wrong. They thought that they were doing what was right. Mm-hmm. But that even plays it into like, the moral thing is right and wrong, but if. There's the absence of those things.

Mm-hmm. Morally even. It's not bad. Right. It's society like, it's very subjective. Yeah. And Dax was like, I'm not saying this is something that I just, that I wanna do. He was like, I'd rather cut my own head off than have sex with my sister. But yes. He's like, it's just like the, the whole idea is quite.

Fascinating and intriguing to philosopher. She's like, Freud, she is, you know, I dabble, wondering, she's really getting in there. I'm expanding expansion. I love these kinds of conversations. You should, you should listen to this. And it's the second time that he's been on DAXs podcast. Mm-hmm. I fucking love consciousness.

'cause it's just like it's, and he is like. It goes into all of the things, the all like, everything and nothings. And I, I find it like so fascinating. Mm-hmm. Because it's freeing to me that all of this stuff is an illusion. Mm-hmm. And we just get to spend this moment with each other hanging out and loving each other.

And it's the only real moment that we get and everything else is like mm-hmm. Just is, yeah. And it's all up to our own perspective and our own experiences that shape the narratives surrounding things that are good or bad. Yeah. Makes me get a little out of breath. She's so pumped up. I love this passion.

I'm sweating. It seems a bit too, I I dropped the C 'cause I was getting a little warm. That's normally me. I know. Okay. Um, so that is now we go to. The Hidden third again, the prison pocket. Yes. You ever heard of a prison pocket? I think I know what you're meaning by that. So there's, I find, I find there's depths of prison pockets as well.

I'm sure it depends on their anatomy, but yeah. And how the depth of, do you want me to explain a prison pocket or do you think the farmers already what it is? I think maybe you should give a little bit. The prison pocket is the butt. Is your butt crack or if you wanna go real deep and really hide things and make sure that they don't get pound, you put it up your keister.

And this is what the folks isn't in your keer, your butt hole. Yeah. You put it up your butt hole, you put your shank up, your butt hole. Oh, so they put stuff just like within the cracks? Yes. It's a prison pocket. Oh, I thought it was always up. Mm-hmm. And in, no, it can be varying levels, depending upon what kind of rousing you're gonna get.

What kind of. Pat down, pat down, housing, housing, you're gonna get. But they, um, they put everything up there and then I made this. No, none of the farmers will be able to, but I have to apologize to the older gentleman at Core Fitness who I was talking about the prison pocket. And then he sweet as he is, he's like, what's the prison pocket?

And I, I was like, oh my God, Gretchen, oh, I don't think they have my weight I want here. I gotta go check in the window, Jim. And. Swiftly took off, did an about face and bone the fuck out. I was like, this is all you. I'm out. I put my arm around him and I go, I, I really apologize. This is inappropriate to be talking about.

I go, but it's where prisoners put their contraband in their butt crack or in their butt hole. I just, what did he say? And he just looks at me like, oh. I mean, he was as kind as, he's like, it's not just for prisoners. That's where I hide my shit from. My wife too. She like, I got a Sharpie up there right now.... You never know when you're gonna need it. Sometimes when you get outta prison, you just like it. It makes you feel comforted.

Comforted. I'm institutionalized even when I'm out. You can take the boy out of the prison. And take the prison outta the boy. I just don't, you have to have really strong stop in a wallet.

I think that you'd have to have the strongest butt cheeks ever to be able to like hold it. I don't, I guess if I ever went to jail, I don't know, like there's so many people that get high and get drunk in prison and I'm like, I don't know if I could be that ballsy. I know. That nasty juice wine they make.

Yes. Prude or whatever. Yeah. In the bags, I'd probably give it a hit just to see, oh, it'll probably make you pretty sick. But then I think the, the guards. The, your, um, visitors that come in. I watched this one lady trying and do a handoff of drugs through her child, like the, it was in the kid's diaper and she handed the kid over to the, she made her kid Keyser?

Yes. Not Keyser. Oh, I guess so. Isn't in its diaper. That's technically a key. It's a generational trauma right there. That's how the shit gets passed down. Yeah. Mentally, physically, spiritually. Diaper Lee, like I was a baby mule. I was a baby drug mule, you know? Oh, that poor thing. Tell me about your trauma.

Tell me about, tell me about hearing your mom wouldn't let you eat sugar. Right? I was a fucking baby drug mule. Yeah. I hid drugs in my diaper. I had an ounce of crack in my crack. Luckily, my parents were so stupid that did it. Is that how you sell crack ounce? I don't know. Um, yeah. Pretty sure. I don't know, Graham, I'm really not like, I never was too savvy with that, besides when I asked my or my college boyfriend if I could take over his business when he moved and he told me his drug business and he told me I couldn't,

I think I would've been good at it. You had like a little scale and everything. That would've been like the fifth time you almost got trafficked. Yeah. Good segue. You'd be like, that'd be a hundred dollars. You'd be like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm like stealing you as well right now. And you're gonna be shipped off.

I would be taking all of it. Oh, all this is coming in the van and you can't do a thing. Stop me little lady. Oh my gosh. That, did he have a gun? No. So this is where. I get a little confused, but it all, all plays out. It all like makes perfect sense. Let me set the stage. I went to Las Vegas. Please do. I went to Las Vegas one time and it was my sister and I and I'm, I'm thinking maybe some Wyoming people.

I think we were there. Maybe, I don't know. But I, I know it was my sister and I and we go to this club and there are these people, we both have fucking von Dutch hats on. It was like sick. Mine was pink. And I had this like cross body, it was like a weird neckline shirt. It was so cute. I wore it all the time.

And a jeans skirt. Hell yeah. Going to the club. Mm-hmm. And, um, we met these, I wanna say, let's just say Swedish people. They weren't Swedish, but they were from a different country. Hmm. And we were partying with them and we had so much fun and we kept in touch with them. So weeds are usually pretty docile, right?

Sure. They, they aren't part of the crime rings. No. Neutral neutrality. So let me think about what that guy was. I don't remember. I don't remember. He was probably lying. Anyways. Romanian. Bulgarian. I thought it was an s. Scandinavian that Swedish. Okay, so keep going. Uh, so we, we kept in touch, like we didn't get, nothing happened then, even though it was kind of sketchy, but we were still kind of being smartish.

So the guy keeps, he emails me and I feel like I have his phone number, but he doesn't use that method of talking. Mean. You guys swapped emails. Yeah. Like he was, he, but that's, that's where I get a little cloudy in my thinking. 'cause I don't, I think he left and went back to across seas, went back to his homeland and we were, and he would email and he is like, Hey, we're gonna be in Vegas again.

Would you come and visit me? Mm-hmm. And I'm like, fuck yeah, I'd love to go to Vegas and party. It's all for free bottles, you know? Oh, so he was free you, he was was hosting you? Yes. He was enticing me. And so I made the mistake of telling my sister and my mom that this was something that I wanted to do, and both of them were like freaking out.

So adamant like, no, you're not gonna do that. No, no, no. Mm-hmm. And I was like, well, I really want to go. So you did it. I, but, so I asked my six foot five friend Mike to come with me. Oh. And so, but here's where it gets, hindsight being 2020, we go, we fly there. I think that they even pay for him possibly. And are we, Dr.

Yeah, we, no, you're like, is Michael a man? You're like, no, no, no. It's my girlfriend. She's really cool. I just thought it was funny. So they named after her dad. It's like Michaela. Yeah, Mikayla. And so when we're there, there's this other really pretty girl that's there that kind of woos Michael off Uhhuh and Michael, he's a big gambler and he likes, he loves Vegas.

Mm-hmm. So, um. And so he goes off and his phone dies and all this stuff, and I'm left. Just little old me. Wow, what a wingman with. I know. I was not happy with him on that. That is a whole nother story. So I'm in this hotel room with this guy and my little alone room. Well, yeah, all of it. None of it was smart on my part.

All of it was stupid, but I didn't, I didn't know. I just wanted to have fun. I trusted him. Guys, you know when I always say I am like, Gretchen, you are so lucky. This is what I'm talking about. This. I know it could have been, she could have been murdered. Between the Facebook yoga, this potential traffick like many times over.

That's how we know you're spe, you're special and supposed to be here. I know, I really did trust he had good energy. And so long story short, I couldn't get ahold of Michael. I'm like, it wasn't as much fun as I thought it was gonna be. And so I told him, I'm like, I need to fly back early. So he, he bought me a plane ticket.

We, he got me off to the airport and that was it. So I don't, I don't know why he spared me. Mm-hmm. Or like, and there was, I remember him coming out in like his underwear. And being like, oh my God. Like, what are you doing, Gretchen? And it wasn't like we were, it wasn't a hooky, upy thing. It wasn't like that.

It really, really wasn't. And um, I, the, the real pickle is I left my favorite bathing suit on the doorknob of this. It was the cutest bath. Why do you the bathing suit? Because we was, it was Vegas. I'm sure we were by the pool maybe. Or maybe that was the first trip. I don't know either one Aunt and I lost a really cool brooch.

You were wearing a brooch with a bikini? No, I think there were two. I think maybe the brooch was on the outfit that over. I had so many questions. The top of the bikini, so many questions, but the good news is he bought me a plane ticket back home and then Mike had to get a rental car. Home. He was like, you left me.... You flew home without Mike. Yes. I was like, fuck you. So he had to get a rental car. And that was the last time you ever saw him? No, we saw each other every weekend. He was, he was like a staple piece. He was the best. So did he hook up with that girl or what? I don't, I don't think so. But that's where I think it was really sketch is I think that, that she was like somebody to pull him away from me.

Yeah. So then I was left to, to get you away from the herd to, so why did, do you think it was Because he knew I could beat him up if he tried to like take me. Oh heavens no, no, no. He was no. I think it's because maybe even if he was able to separate you from your companion, like the companion knows that you were with him.

Right? He was cooked. I think that like maybe he wanted the girl to go distract so he could at least get lucky. Oh, but then when you wouldn't put out, he was like, sure, just get the fuck outta here, fool. You send you home, you're, you're a waste of money. What a wet blanket. Wasted all my goddamn time on this girl.

Thought she was a sure thing. I thought she was a sure bet. Sure. News newsflash. Newsflash not happening. I ain't no easy ticket. Nope. Well, I'm glad that you've, um, that you survived that. Yeah, and I think good. The communication kind of ceased after that. I don't think we corresponded anymore. No spark. He was nice.

Like I would Was he old? No. What was his name? I don't remember. I know it was kind of a like a four letter word. Four. Four letters. Jock. That's not four letters, like with a B, like one or something. That's a lie. I don't know. Bowl, but boob con. No, he was very nice. He was very nice and I never felt, um, end danger except for the last minute when Michael was gone, he was in his underwear and I was like, I, this probably, and then I get out and I maybe, like, it didn't even hit me for probably 15 years later.

I look back and I was like, if my kid did that, I would fucking murder them. Yeah. I mean, and even rere had a moment where she wanted to frolic off and, and it was Canada. Yeah. It wasn't, and I'm like, no, you're not doing that. Mm-hmm. But. You know when a girl, the nails are in, when a girl needs to party, a girl needs to party.

In my personal opinion, and we just thank God that she got to, got to see another day, talk about it. The next you end up chained up in a basement or worse, or like in a foreign country that doesn't, that I don't speak English or they don't speak, or I don't speak the language anyways. You could have ended up in the Epstein files.

Oh my god. Cancel. Cancel. Mm-hmm. Um, last thing I have to talk about is the summer house debacle. Yes. Have you seen it? Do you at least know a little bit of what's happening? I know that this girl and this guy who used to date other people on the show are now dating. Yes. See Kyle and Amanda Splitsville.

They were married for a long time and then they got a divorce. They should have gotten a divorce a long time ago. That's a whole other topic. So then Sierra and West dated, he broke her heart. Then the season happened and they started to rekindle. And then bomb drops. Bomb drops, Amanda and West together.

Yeah. No warning, no nothing. Just, and I don't really know. I need to do more research 'cause they keep saying Carl is a mess, but I don't know what that means. Carl Carl's another character who actually got sober and he's opening up like a, a silver bar in Brooklyn, which is really cool. I wanna go there.

Hmm. Um, but oh, the noise is starting. Nope. Do the unplug. Is that how you fixed it? I just don't want us to talk about someone else. They're trying to silence you. We, we can wrap it up, but, um, I'm Team Sierra. I want Paige DeSorbo to si like, I think that she's already talked about it, but I want to hear more about it and I want to know if this relationship will last because it's not going to, and when West pulls a West and drops Amanda like.

Amanda just shot herself in the foot Ho before Bros people. Well, I'm sure they're gonna put it on television. Right. And then there's the other part. Is this all a ploy? Is this just not even real? And it's all just a fake relationship. You reminds me of high school when everybody would just like date each other.

Right. You know, it was like this group of friends and then everyone would just like swap, just swapping. Yeah. It's disgusting. Yeah. It is a little bit, you gotta cast a bigger net. People talk about and try being in a small town, talk about a small net. Tiny, yeah. Microscopic. And it was, and it was social suicide.

If you branched out of your like little niche, I think I'm gonna join athletes. You can't. That's social suicide. The limit does not exist. This is our final episode of season two. I feel like I always come out with my weird stories on the season. Finales of stuff. Little gut punch to hold you over. Yeah.

There's more where that came from. I just have to go back in the cobwebs and remember. Yes. Like when we're talking randomly and you'll just like bring these up and I'll be like, we've literally spent hundreds of thousands of hours together and you'd never thought to tell me this story. Yeah. And then other times that's shocking.

Other times I'm like, you heard this story and you're like, yes, I've heard it. 18,000 so times. Yes, I know that one. I know that one. Yep. Yep. What do we wanna say as our final send off, sign off to Bided you. We've got some really cool stuff coming for season three already in the works. Um, some new, we're having a, we have a website coming.

Yeah. You know, it's just gonna be next level. So buckle up. Are we doing a break or are we just picking back up? Let's pick it back up. Oh, okay. So see, see you next week. Maybe we'll maybe see you next Tuesday. Maybe we'll record, but then buffer it so then we can back up like, well that doesn't work either.

'cause news, we gotta have the hot topics. We keep our fingers on the pulse here. Exactly. Hard hitting. Hard hitting real time takes. That's like the thing with the news. Yeah. Coming across. Yeah. Anyways. Well, we're coming back. Stay tuned people. Alright, love you. We appreciate you Mazeltov, and peace out.

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